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Ranger
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 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Uff !!!
The most sophisticated handy Garmins ofers 250 points for route.
It is not enough ?
This limit is valid for k750i only !!!
So what is the problem to have few variants of route or few routes ?
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Grzes
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Location: Katowice Poland
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| Ranger wrote: |
Uff !!!
The most sophisticated handy Garmins ofers 250 points for route.
It is not enough ?
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Sometimes. But I want to have nice *tracks* and the only workaround in TB is route  ! My old (and good) Magellan has 1250 track points  !
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This limit is valid for k750i only !!!
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Hmmm ..... I wanted only to see my route (track from TB  ! ) converted to route GPX) !!!
It would be sufficient in case of drawing a pretty not 1px narrow line instead of some points.
OK - I guess the target for TB was sure not an application like my mountain hiking. And my bike trips ....
Please consider the small screen you have on the phone doesn't allow the user to see bigger area. And the best way to plan the route is geneating a line similar to car navigation. Some points set are very uncomfortable (for me  ) !
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So what is the problem to have few variants of route or few routes ?
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The problem is I want to have a line not a set of points. A line easy to see in some hard conditions, without magnifying glass ! Maybe you are able to see on the bike (not at stop ! ) on terrain road the small arrow and the points and the 1 px line - I am not able ... !
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Ranger
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Number of route points is not limited by TB itself, k750i have limited list display possibility to 255 items. We couln't change phone for you, sorry.
Other phones, like Nokias have not such limit, so you can have as many route points as you wish.
There is not place for explanation difference between track points (not limited in TB at all) and route points, limited in some of devices.
I can say only - if you design routes for hiking outside TB, limit for k750i is known. There is not problem to convert logged tracks to routes, ie using PC points reduction tools like GPSBabel.
Even you can use recorded tracks directly in TB, but you should remember your phone limit.
Tracklog is set of points.
Why big line connecting points is so important for you in navigation ?
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Grzes
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Location: Katowice Poland
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Ranger wrote: |
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There is not place for explanation difference between track points (not limited in TB at all) and route points, limited in some of devices.
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Yes but the difference between track, waypoints and route is significant.
I am wondering why TB doesn't have the track ability like Ozi.
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I can say only - if you design routes for hiking outside TB, limit for k750i is known. There is not problem to convert logged tracks to routes, ie using PC points reduction tools like GPSBabel.
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Yes. The only problem for me is I need tracks no routes.
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Even you can use recorded tracks directly in TB, but you should remember your phone limit.
Tracklog is set of points.
Why big line connecting points is so important for you in navigation ?
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Only to convert my known recorded route (track) to a visible line (route) in TB. Unfortunately not possible with current version. Sorry, I need really good visible line not a set of points. So, in worst case I can still use OziCE !
Now I have really problems with recording tracks. Posted separately.
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Ranger
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Grzegorz,
If we can agree about such defs ???
Track - set of points representing exact shape of trip.
Route - set of points representing direction changes.
I don't say that shape of track is displayed in TB.
But you stated that route points are not connected with line.
What about we are talking ?
TB records tracks, not displayed on screen.
Routes have connected points.
If you load track as route in TB, you can see connected trackpoints.
Thats all.
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Grzes
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Location: Katowice Poland
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| Ranger wrote: |
Grzegorz,
If we can agree about such defs ???
Track - set of points representing exact shape of trip.
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No ...
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Route - set of points representing direction changes.
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Yes...
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I don't say that shape of track is displayed in TB.
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Yes;-)
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But you stated that route points are not connected with line.
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No - I mentioned the 1 px line is in fact very hard to see in real environment.
Track = set of wires between track points. This is a line approximates by pieces of straight line.
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What about we are talking ?
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Comfort of TB using !
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TB records tracks, not displayed on screen.
Routes have connected points.
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Not for me - please test it on bike or ... without glasses  !
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If you load track as route in TB, you can see connected trackpoints.
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Yes. On PC screen but not on small phone screen.
No ..... I am still expecting good and usefull features. For me of course.
TB is very very good application bit in some points could be "a bit better"
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Ranger
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Grzes wrote: |
Track = set of wires between track points. This is a line approximates by pieces of straight line.
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No ...
From GPX defs:
"trk represents a track - an ordered list of points describing a path."
http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/#type_trkType
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Grzes
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Ranger wrote: |
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Track = set of wires between track points. This is a line approximates by pieces of straight line.
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No ...
From GPX defs:
"trk represents a track - an ordered list of points describing a path."
http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/#type_trkType
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I want a real track no more GPX track !
Or better to say a line similar to : http://www.qcontinuum.org/gpstrack/
The route displaying in TB is nothing usefull for me :-[ ..
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x2fer
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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If it is imperative for you, you can create maps with the track painted.
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Grzes
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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If it is imperative for you, you can create maps with the track painted.
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Yes ..... especially in the high mountains like Alps, on the camp !
OK - when I have my laptop ready I can still use OziExplorer. This is for me optimal program, as well for painting the track on map image.
But this is not a solution ... only a workaround in worst case, only with extra equipment like PC.
I am only wondering why TB doesn't have this easy feature. I am sometimes using some route variants, depend on local conditions. If I have only the option to merge the tracks in the maps I jabe to generate the tracks with various colours or ... multiple maps. Both not optimal.
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