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zz85 · Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 14

1.
Instead of selecting a waypoint first then selecting "navigate to", there could be a better way to select a waypoint. I visualize that perhaps its nicer to select "navigate to", then show all the waypoints on a list, selecting up/down points to the next or previous waypoint.

2.
Mobile Trail Explorer has a feature which gives a listing of distances from current location to all the waypoints, you might find this feature useful too.

http://www.substanceofcode.com/software/mobile-trail-explorer/

3.
I remembered playing "Rainbow Six 3 - Raven Shield" where you place set the routes for the teams using waypoints. This may not sound serious but I guess this is an example how multiple waypoints are used.

guest · Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 3950

It would also be very nice if you could add a new waypoint in terms of range(m/km) and bearing(degrees) from either pressent possision or from another waypoint.

I often have to do just that.

Jan,Denmark

iceburn · Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 2 Location: Bulgaria

I have the following suggestion:

User to be able to add tracklog as a list of waypoints, so that one can drive back the same route he came from. This is very usefull for me.

P.S. About tracklogging - too few points recorded now and tracklog is inaccurate (v0.9.56). Raw tracklog is accurate but it generates tooooo large files Laughing

. I don't know what is the condition to record a point, but I think that a change of azimuth of more than 1 or 2 degrees, from previously recorded point, should mean 'record new point'. Maybe it would be better if user can choose the accuracy he needs.
P.P.S. Excuse my bad english. I hope you can undestand everything I've written.

Atanvarno · Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 19

oh, A-10... well, since i am from civil aviation, i am used to a little bit more advanced and newer equipment than in the A-10 Wink

*hahahaha*

But maybe the idea of such kind of tool is not bad. and by the way, that kind of tool is pretty old. on the OBS knob the course has to be selected manually. new tools are compass slaved and do the present course automatically Smile

(called HSI)

so a new created page could be such a device.

further information can be found here:

http://stoenworks.com/Tutorials/HSI,%20the%20complete.html

since this is used for aviation purpose, it has to be changed a little bit for this need. but in basics, this could be usefull.

for example:

in one page, the tracklist is loaded. so one it travelling from point to point. on the HSI page, the compass rose is working in normal use - so walking direction is up. with the joystick i can now change the course to left or right. so if i am on track to may next waypoint, the course pointer shows straight up and the line is centered.

since i go to holiday on friday for next weeks, i am not quite sure if i can post some pictures with information ideas, what pages could exist... so maybe it will be end of month until i could do that next...

Lakva · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:06 am Post subject:

I don't know if I understand the HSI completely right, I did not read all the text, but:
If you DON'T fly in the right heading, then the "heading bug" does not move, right? So if the WPT is 1 km at your 9 o'clock and you fly 1 km straight, then the WPT is at your 7:30 o'clock, but the "bug" is at 9 all the time, right?
Something like this is useless on ground...
Airborn, ok... You set heading bug, switch autopilot on and plane keeps the right direction... But when you get to the WPT (or maybe better "turn point"), you have to set a new azimuth, right?

I know those system from flight sim only, but I think they are quite realistic in MSFS 04...
What we are trying do make is not just an HSI, but a "flight director" in GPS mode...

By the way, the HSI is almost the same as HPS in TB, with only difference that HSI bug show the selected azimuth, instead of HPS arrow directs you to selected WPT... I think... Question

krzysiekz · Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 168

And what do you think about this layout for route navigation? Data about next wpt (azimuth, difference from current heading: right/left, distance) instead of position. Current wpt in right bottom corner like was before. Two arrows, Green for current wpt, light green for next wpt, all draw same way like hps compass needle. At bottom numbers of wpt in route and no of currnet wpt. Orange square with numbers as one of wpt.

Ranger · Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 4729

Nice idea Krzysiek, but still I don't see one of the most valuable navigation info TB knows ... track to current position.

Atanvarno · Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 19

@lakva:

yes, you understood it correct. the heading bug is just a "remember aid" to keep always the same heading. i dont know if this would be usefully on ground or not. maybe it helps to avoid to walk in a circle? Smile

or makes it much easier to walk always the same direction because it is marked Smile

the idea to point to the HSI was more because of the compass rose, the course selector and the according deviation indicator. for example the left/right deviation from the track -> could be done in TB also pretty easy as a small bar at the bottom of the screen where it has the indication the same way than on HSI. so a cursor centered one is on track, left or right is off-track...

the idea behind the course selector (the arrow) is, that one is walking the most straight line between two waypoints. especially when walking off-track the risk might be higher to walk more instead the straight line. so the course selector depicts the straight line between the waypoints and the deviation line shows the deviation from the track. so its always easy to find back the shortest way to next waypoint.

@all:
what i just found out this night is, that it would be usefull if the waypoint name would be shown also somewhere. because only distance and azi to next waypoint is nice to know, but for planing purpose and also for reroutings it would be much easier to have a name. so it can be recognized much faster that the correct waypoint is selected.

kruch · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 5088

First, wtf is HSI? Smile

I like krzysiekz's "pointers" to wpt(s), the screen is easier to read than the current one, with arrow in the midst of the compas... I'll change HPS like that.

There's another screen related to route navigation (without numeric info, I'm very inefficient with drawing tools)

Lakva · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:57 am Post subject:

YES! This is just what I have imaginated! Very Happy

When some beta will be available? Twisted Evil

wowi · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 78 Location: Munich

Yes! great! As it is pure vector information, zooming and panning should be possible.. You indicate it with a scale bar. Very Happy

kruch · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 5088

Right. And day/night mode, of course... Wink

Atanvarno · Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 19

@kruch: HSI = Horizontal Situation Indicator Smile

and right, thats the basic view which would be very nice. its possible to see all waypoints loaded, the route loaded and the track...

to make it short: looks like my magellan 320 GPS view Very Happy

therapy · Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 10

Hello,
here is my suggestion for the nev route navigation HPS layout.
The arrows around the circle that point outwards indicate the directions to waypoints that follow along the route.
The yellow arrow indicate the selected WPT towards which you navigate.
The arrows pointing inwards indicate the waypoints on the route that are "passed"
(that are simply just the waypoints with smaller order number than the selected WPT)
The red needle represented with two opposite pairs of lines indicate the deviation from the course.
When it overlaps with the arrow to the selectedd WPT, that means youre on course.

All other textual / numeric information I left out intentionaly,
The kruch will know better what is needed Smile

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