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kruch
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| But Naut12 has mm1b 20, 13 has 10 and 14 has 5 ... |
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JNT
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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MM1B values came from mobac and are for this atlas :
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12: 19.638...
13: 9.766...
13a: 9.872...
13b: 9.872...
14: 4.876... |
For the test4auto atlas it is :
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12a: 19.467...
13a: 9.737...
13b: 9.737...
13c: 9.737...
14a: 4.870... |
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Ranger
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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If you have maps with almost the same MM1B, they shouldn't be in one layer for TB auto mode ...
To be clear in details, there are two ways to create atlas in mobac - few map scales selected for one run or just one scale.
So there was no way to get maps with so similar MM1B as shown in one layer for typical mobac usage 
It is the reason why auto mode didn't supported such maps in TB, up to now ... |
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JNT
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Ranger wrote: |
If you have maps with almost the same MM1B, they shouldn't be in one layer for TB auto mode ...
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In my case they have always been in different layers.  Except when they cover different areas. Then they have the same or similar MM1B values and are placed in the same layer.
I always had easyzoom setting on layers. Then it works as expected. |
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Ranger
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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So why you would to use the same auto mode for atlases with so different structures ?
As I remember story, changes introduced for auto mode destroyed layers support in TB last time ... 
And how you would get maps in one layer, covering the same area in mobac with similar MM1B ? Almost impossible ...
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kruch
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| JNT wrote: |
For the test4auto atlas it is :
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12a: 19.467...
13a: 9.737...
13b: 9.737...
13c: 9.737...
14a: 4.870... |
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The fallback would work only if all five layers would have similar mm1b, eg. ~9.7.
To switch from eg.13a to 13c, user have to do it manually via long press (7 or 9 key).
Now TB goes 12 - one of 13 -14 when zooming, feels more natural.. or no? |
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Ranger
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think way should be clear - if you would use maps with the same scale and different area coverage, they can & should be in one layer.
Works with layer setting.
If you have maps with different scales (means MM1B) for the same area, they can be placed in one layer, but auto mode should be used for different kind of maps switching. Mobac doesn't produce maps with the same scale and area coverage for this case.
User can choose mode properly for known atlas loaded in settings ... |
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kruch
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Idea: put zooming method hint to .tba. It would override value in Settings for given atlas.
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Atlas 1.1
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Atlas 1.1
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JNT
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Ranger wrote: |
| So why you would to use the same auto mode for atlases with so different structures ? |
Perhaps I'm just confusing things... I am trying to understand how things work, mostly to be able to explain it to my "trekbuddy novice" friends. And to make it simpler for them.
My atlases are built on a strict layer structure, while theirs are normally not. Sharing atlases then requires changing settings...
I will happily continue to use it as I always had, in layer mode with full control over the "zoom" sequence.
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Almost impossible ... Wink |
You can very easily drag and drop maps between layers in Mobac tree structure before you create the atlas. So it is trivial to get exactly the structure you want, even very strange ones...
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| The fallback would work only if all five layers would have similar mm1b, eg. ~9.7. |
Oh, I misunderstood.
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To switch from eg.13a to 13c, user have to do it manually via long press (7 or 9 key).
Now TB goes 12 - one of 13 -14 when zooming, feels more natural.. |
This is exactly how it has been behaving for me when set to auto (which of the 13 that gets chosen is not clear up front).
I thought it would check to see if each layer in the atlas contained maps of only one zoom level and if so, it would use the layer functionality to "zoom" or "move" through the layers. |
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Ranger
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Can be, but I don't know map tools producing such headers
Up to now way was clear - if you created atlas using mobac with many checkboxes selected, use auto, if not, use layers |
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kruch
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| JNT wrote: |
| I thought it would check to see if each layer in the atlas contained maps of only one zoom level and if so, it would use the layer functionality to "zoom" or "move" through the layers. |
Hmm, actually, why not...
I suppose such atlases are rare (it requires some additional work in MOBAC which typical user does not do, right??), so if I change TB behaviour, most users will not notice any difference. Agree?
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JNT
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| kruch wrote: |
| Idea: put zooming method hint to .tba. It would override value in Settings for given atlas. |
This idea, I like. 
Then advanced users and atlas creators can have control, but it might confuse the hell out of some users... |
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Ranger
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, but is good to remember, that some users may would declare maps order in one layer for the same MM1B using .... map names
Same way like it works for layers now ...
Indeed special atlas header is a way for it ? |
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JNT
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| kruch wrote: |
| it requires some additional work in MOBAC which typical user does not do, right?? |
 I always thought I was a typical user... |
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Ranger
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| As rare mobac user I think it was easier to follow TB atlas layers rules exactly in this app (described from ... always), than produce rather unusual maps structure, settings or headers |
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